Steven Ciceron, Actor | Reflecting on Psychology Roots and Diverse Roles on Silver Screen
In this lively episode, actor Steven Ciceron joins Patrick Evans and Randy Florence at Skip Paige’s Little Bar to share his journey from clinical psychologist to working actor. With over 50% audition success and roles across film, television, and theater, Ciceron discusses the discipline and humility that fuel his craft. He dives into his passion for horror, balancing dark characters with a naturally affable personality, and how his psychology background enhances his performances. The conversation spans from his early theater days in New York to international shoots in Berlin and Stockholm, casting insights, and the occasional awkward moment on set. The trio also touches on industry myths, method acting, nudity on screen, and the ongoing hustle behind a true working actor’s career. From laugh-out-loud moments to genuine reflections, it’s a candid look at a multifaceted performer who embraces every challenge.
Takeaways:
- Steven Ciceron transitioned from psychology to acting, blending both disciplines.
- He has worked internationally and across genres, with a preference for horror.
- His background helps him develop nuanced, emotionally rich characters.
- Despite success, he stays grounded, continuing acting classes regularly.
- Ciceron sees casting and directing as growth areas but prioritizes acting.
- He believes method acting works best when combined with psychology.
- Independent films often provide him lead roles, while major productions offer cameos.
- He’s candid about the realities of auditions, agents, and balancing personal life.
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Transcript
Randy Florence: and you are so screwed in in my ...If you're depending on either one of those things for me, you are screwed.
Patrick Evans, Host: No. When you told me you had transition to a plant-based diet, uh, I've decided that maybe you're not my advisor.
Randy Florence: Oh, okay. I thought it was the transition word that bother you, but it was, it was the plant-based diet.
Patrick Evans, Host: No, no. I would support any transition you wish to make.
Randy. Oh, boy. Thank you.
Randy Florence: Oh boy. I'm gonna become Patrick Evans.
Patrick Evans, Host: No, it's already taken and you don't trust me. No, people have stolen my identity and then given it back, it's not not good.
Randy Florence: My son asked me if he was adopted. I said, yeah, but they returned him. So we have that's, we had to raise him. We glad.
re presenting sponsor of Big [:So you're gonna get the ones that you love and some things that you will love, though you may not have, uh, experienced them previously. So check it out again. McCallum theater.org. Randy, what's new with you? Anything exciting? I mean, I did mention you're doing this plant-based thing.
Randy Florence: Yeah. I don't know how exciting that is, but big
Patrick Evans, Host: into tofu.
Randy Florence: Not yet. Not yet. That's the one thing I have not working on it dipped my toe into is tofu.
Patrick Evans, Host: Well, I will tell you, since I had the heart attack of the stents put in. I really changed my diet, not, it's not plant-based. Yeah, well that's not true. 'cause cows are made out of grass. That's what they eat. So they are plant-based as well.
Yeah. So I still enjoy a burger from time to time. It, since...
Randy Florence: since I lost a lung, I quit my cut my smoking in half. So.
Patrick Evans, Host: [:Randy Florence: No, but I appeared in a movie because of Steve.
Patrick Evans, Host: Because of Steve. Steve Ciceron is here and, uh, did I say that correctly?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Ciceron. It's okay.
Patrick Evans, Host: What, what should it be, Ciceron ?
Randy Florence: When the guest says, that's okay.
Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah. Close enough.
Maybe while to get the real name close. You know, one time Benedict Cumberbatch got really mad at me. Yeah. Really? On the air for mispronouncing his name.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh, wow.
Randy Florence: Worse than Kieran.
Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, worse than Kieran. No way. No, not, not as bad as, as as Kieran Culkin.
Randy Florence: Kieran Culkin. He was kind of a dick that night.
Patrick Evans, Host: From your lips to God's ears. He was completely, but it wasn't just to me, it was to everybody. No, I said accidentally Benedict.
Randy Florence: This is, this is gonna go really good, Steve. It's interesting. Yeah, it's been great. But,
Patrick Evans, Host: but so far, far Steve is not as upset. No. Has Benedict
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Cumberbatch
Patrick Evans, Host: All my life
Steven Ciceron, Guest: people have mispronounced my name it, they spell it incorrectly too.
he first name, they spelling [:Patrick Evans, Host: People should get this correct?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, it’s French.
Patrick Evans, Host: It's French. That's why I didn't get it right. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Steve Cran is here. Yes. And, uh, you are one of the most prolific working actors that you call the Valley Home, but you're all over the place.
Yeah. You do so much stuff.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I like to think that I'm, I get a lot of work and I, and I do, I'm what you call a real working actor, not a celebrity, but a working actor.
Patrick Evans, Host: But you're very, very versatile. You'll do. Y you do such different roles. Yeah. And you know, I think sometimes, like, uh, you, you, you were kind of leaning into horror for a little bit.
Mm-hmm. And you transition right outta that. And you do comedy and you've been doing, uh, I know you did the, the, uh, what, uh, hop alongs to Oh, right. That was a comedy, a bit of a, so velocity work. Yes.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: That's very true. I think originally I started in theater. My heart is in theater. But rehearsal time, it takes a lot of time and it conflicts with, um.
know, film. And so I started [:Randy Florence: is huge right now.
It's big. No, you're one of the nicest human beings. It's big. And thank
Steven Ciceron, Guest: you for that. And I laugh a lot and have a good time. So for me, if I can be convincing in an evil way, that's challenging and that means I succeeded. So I like that. And then I dabbled in comedy now too and found that enjoyable bone. So I like to do a little bit of everything.
Any
Randy Florence: preference or you just like to work?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I think that's probably the bottom line. Yeah. I think my preference is actually the horror. I, I, I do. Although comedy's difficult and I like to be challenged all the time, comedy's difficult. Your timing has to be right and your improv has to be right and has to match.
And, um, but more challenging for me is the horror.
orence: Well, I want to get, [:Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah.
Randy Florence: You guys have something in common? We're
Patrick Evans, Host: both Cavaliers. Yeah. He has a graduate degree, but I do not. But you're still a cavalier.
Randy Florence: Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It still
Patrick Evans, Host: count. It does count.
Randy Florence: Where, where were you born? Born and raised.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: So, um, New York City, um, basically, and, um, there for quite a few years. Uh, got married in Philadelphia. And then came out to la, didn't like LA and then moved to Palm Springs.
Randy Florence: And did you come out to LA for acting?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Um, yeah, basically. 'cause I was doing, I was a psychologist for a little while and then I decided that I was getting too sensitive to that, uh, you know, hearing a lot of the problems and some people not wanting to help themselves and work with themselves and not taking their medications. So I felt really bad for them.
e did. Where did you do your [:Randy Florence: You know, it's interesting, you, you are not the first actor on the podcast that has majored in psychology or sociology.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh, darn. I thought I was different.
Randy Florence: Well, you are. Yeah. I, I don't want to take that away from you, but what do you think is, you don't have to say it like that. What, what you are, right? Wow. Oh, you are. Yeah. You're one of those. Is is there something about that That, is it the understanding human nature?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah.
Think it's probably different for each person depending on what they study, but I think, um, you know, the patience, the internships that I've done, it gives you an understanding of the human nature, the human condition, and then you can understand characters better. And especially then blend that with the different types of acting techniques.
chness and the fullness to a [:Randy Florence: Did you come from a big family?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I did Five kids. Yeah. I don't think that happens anymore.
Randy Florence: Any, anybody
Steven Ciceron, Guest: else take the same path that you took? No. Complete opposite. I'm, they're all shy. I'm, I'm like so outgoing, so completely different from all of them. They can't have me around 'cause I'll talk to anybody.
Randy Florence: Was the family supportive of the direction that you started going? Yeah, my dad
Steven Ciceron, Guest: liked me in, in the psychology, not, not so much the acting. Yeah. Yeah. How long did you practice as a psychologist? About six years. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So a while I really tried 'cause I do like helping people. But did you just find at the end of the day you just.
Yeah. And then you go home, see wife and kids, and you hear more, more complaining and, and more, you know, this, that, so I need a psychologist. Okay, that's enough. I'm getting it 24 hours a day. I gotta, I gotta go back into, uh, theater, which I started with and then filmed.
Randy Florence: Theater. Um, when you came back to la was that the first thing you got involved in?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. [:Randy Florence: When was the moment that you kind of knew. I, I, I'm good at this and I can get jobs. This is what I want to do with the rest of my life. You know, I think,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I don't think I'm ever good at it, and I, and I don't think I ever wanna be so overly confident that, um. I'm gonna get, you know, smug about something and that's why I continue to do acting classes.
I think an actor should never stop and be still because you can get too comfortable with yourself and then your acting is not as organic. So, um, I don't think, like Viola Davis once said they, I think they call it imposter syndrome. Have you ever heard of Oh yeah, sure, sure. So I think it's a little bit of that.
actor award. Did they make a [:Randy Florence: You know, it's funny, I, I was telling somebody this story on when, when we did the movie Perfect. Yeah. Piece with, and, and he was so good.
Thank you again for your help on that. Just so I can, full disclosure here, um, Steven was the casting director. And I didn't know what was going on 'cause this was my first time. So I did my audition, I sent it in and Steve calls and says, Hey, good job. Hang in there. And a month later Steve's going, Hey, good job.
Hang in there. And I'm thinking. Good. Good. And he's apologizing. I'm sorry, this is taking so long. It did take too long. And I told him, I said, this is my first time. I just assumed everything went like this. That's the way you didn't get mad at me. I couldn't be too upset about it, but thank you for supporting me so much in that one.
was I going with You're over [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: now, so that happens, right?
Randy Florence: I'm way over 40. Yeah. Hmm. He's over
Patrick Evans, Host: 40 twice.
Randy Florence: Oh, I know what it was.
It was about, it was about the early paranoia of being an actor. Um, so the first. Day they're doing all the shooting and everything, and I didn't really have anything on the call sheet for the first day, right? I was just supposed to be there, watch next to the actors and being something for them to look at.
But I, they did have me say my lines, but a couple of times I'd say to the director was that, was that okay? Should I have done it like this? And each time he said. Or she said, don't worry about it. We're filming you tomorrow morning. I'm like,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: oh, okay. That's often the case.
Randy Florence: So I get back the next morning, I'm all dressed up, I'm ready.
I don't know why they didn't [:Yeah.
Patrick Evans, Host: Well, was it better not knowing coming? Good question. Uh, I mean, like, would you have been more nervous to say, I'm, I'm looking for the picture I have of you in the movie?
Randy Florence: No, I, I. I can't say that it was better not knowing. Maybe they just wanted you for your nostril hair. Well, they got a lot of that.
As a matter of fact, if there is going to be a SAG award for me, it's going to be most nostril hair.
Patrick Evans, Host: Uh, I I'm still looking for the picture. I know. I have a picture of you on scr. Ah, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen.
Randy Florence: We're, we're glad to have you here so we can talk about my movie career. Look at that. Whoa.
That's
Steven Ciceron, Guest: confidence.
Randy Florence: Those are big
Steven Ciceron, Guest: nostrils. Send that. No. Oh, I'll send you that. You head, head very confident. Yeah.
e you're a very, uh, jovial, [:I mean, I, I think the essence of acting is to be able to not be yourself. Right. And you did it like on your first tryout in the audition. He did. Well, thank you. Yeah. It showed in
Steven Ciceron, Guest: the audition.
Patrick Evans, Host: Now, how much work do you do, like with actors who are doing auditions and that sort of thing? Do you do a lot of casting work?
I do. I do.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Casting a lot. Not so much, uh, being a director or a producer. My portfolio is growing that way too, but I do casting too. A little extra money. Yeah. I enjoy it too, because I get to watch what they're doing and sort of know what they're doing wrong, but really, I'm not supposed to tell them what they're doing wrong, but I can see it.
Randy Florence: Well, I know what it was like for me. What was it like for you, your first time on a movie set and I, and I'm guessing it wasn't in a, uh, cafe at a retirement home in Palm Desert?
too. Um. I, I, I think well [:You're dependent also on the other actor. So if the other actor makes a mistake and jumps two pages, then it's up to you to think, well, should I take it from there and can I remember it from there? 'cause I had gotten no clue, or how can I bring it back and then not throw off the other act? So it's a, um, so, and that's all going on in your mind while, while you're supposed to be talking.
It's amazing what goes on in your, in your mind with. Film with theater, but with film. Um, so I just wasn't nervous. I just felt really comfortable. I just wanted to keep my technique going and wanted to take more acting classes.
Randy Florence: Did you get over the, the nerves early on or do you still feel that all the time?
right when I grow up, right.[:Um, I had to do a, a tango and learn a tango and the choreography and everything. And once you hit 40, uh, choreography becomes more difficult. The younger guys, they're there and, um, choreographer will show them some choreography and they say, got it. And I'll say, can you show it to me one more time? Okay. Uh, another time.
And one more please. So, um, I was nervous about doing the dance, but it really came out good and I'm really pleased with myself. So yeah, you still, things like that that I'm not real comfortable with.
Randy Florence: When was the first time you saw your name on a movie? Credit.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh my God, I don't even know if I remember the movie.
Um, I think it was, um, a movie called, therefore I Am, and it was, I played a psychologist who, right, right. I can go because I know really typecasting, but I think they fell in love with the idea that I knew what all the medications for and I could pronounce them anyway. And
Randy Florence: you might be able to bring some to set, right?
Maybe. So
use I played a psychologist. [:Randy Florence: And were you at the point where that was, that was pretty cool. Yeah. Seeing your name up there, I mean, my God.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. That's, that never really stops in a way. Yeah. Um, I do, I'm a little vain. I do like seeing. Self on big screen. It's just really neat, you know, wanna go out and Is that really me? What's your favorite work so far?
Um, stuff that I've done. You mean theater commercials or anything? What I like best? Anything? Um, well, I, I think I've injured, I have, um, two seasons of, uh, always here was a dark comedy and I have that on, um, it's on, what do you call Prime? Amazon Prime Uhhuh. And that was a really difficult role to play because I played a man.
anger to crying, to sad, to [:Was
Randy Florence: that the most challenging role? Yeah, that was
Steven Ciceron, Guest: pretty challenging. And I do like to be challenged.
Randy Florence: So after a role like that, obviously you had to put a lot into that, to all the different emotions and everything. Is there a
Steven Ciceron, Guest: recovery period for you afterwards? It depends on how much you rely on method acting.
Um, and how much do you rely on Method Act? So probably 50%. And I do other techniques. That's a good question. 'cause you have somebody, uh, method acting, you really immerse yourself completely and you kind of have to live the character right? 24 hours a day. Yeah. And so, like for instance, Jared, uh, Leto and, uh, Christian Bale, two very tough actors.
was Suicide Squad. Yeah. And [:Character, despicable character. So he took it to the nines. Yeah. Um, but I like to mix it, uh, that way. Like a lot of, like Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, um, Tom Cruise, they all do like maybe 50% method acting. And then there are other acting techniques. And I also draw on my psychology experience. What are
Patrick Evans, Host: the other acting techniques that you.
Uh, drawn aside from method acting
Steven Ciceron, Guest: mainly I go from just method acting and my, um, organic ability to keep my psychology and bring that in. Research, research the character. And I like to bring in, um, the human condition and everything I've learned in psychology and I find that works best for me.
Randy Florence: I would think that'd be pretty important.
being able to let go of your [:So it gives you an opportunity to borrow. I mean, you must probably, I'm sure your parents, your, your patients wouldn't appreciate it, but I bet you steal from them sometimes. I recognize that guy. There's, there's been a lot of
Steven Ciceron, Guest: situations I wouldn't want to, I mean, I had, I wasn't in a movie like this, but I had one patient, um, in my internship, um, back at UVA and, um, it was a woman and she came up to me and she said, um.
She said, I think I have cervical cancer. And she opened up her legs. She was a skirt and she had no underwear on. It's like a Sharon Stone type of a thing. And so I said, you know, I wonder if I'm ever gonna be able to use that, that Does it look like it to you? Yeah. Really? I said, I'm not that kind of a doctor, so you might want to, you know.
Uh, close, close things up here. Everything I'm working on with closure is from the neck up, so 10
minutes [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Which gets into other things. I mean, as an actor you get a lot of people that send you pictures, males, men and women, and they send you pictures that really they shouldn't be sending to you.
Randy Florence: Is there any role that, I'm sorry about that. Yeah, no, and it was just a headshot. Is,
Patrick Evans, Host: is there. Is there any? Only the only, the only dick pic I've ever sent is a picture of Richard Nixon. That's a, that's pretty good. I never that before. That is good. I like that one. I may steal that. That's pretty good.
Randy Florence: Is there, is there any role that you've gone into and you've, you've read the script and you've thought, this is gonna be hard
Steven Ciceron, Guest: or maybe that I wasn't right for it.
s. I've been that for years. [:And I had thought that it was about a, a football game, but I thought that I was gonna be playing, but it was a football player. And I'm thinking to myself, I am. I didn't get the role, but I thought, I mean these guys were like good looking and big, huge, and I'm saying what? You know, so that's something that I was not.
Not good for, but that was that one where
Randy Florence: you had to talk to your agent and go, Hey, I what Sam? I
Steven Ciceron, Guest: thought that you could fit in, you could do it and everything. I think that sometimes an agent will just send you on something if they think they can maybe make some money off you.
Patrick Evans, Host: Right. Is it like they have an idea of what this world is gonna Yeah, and I don't like my time.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: 'cause you gotta memorize lines sometimes it's the last minute and they've been treating actors pretty poorly with, it's a little, it's changed a little bit now, but. They treat them pretty badly and you to memorize the lines and the next day you produce that and you have to, I do have a good memory, but it's
Patrick Evans, Host: tough.
, you have a manager and two [:Um, so they must be pitching a lot. I mean, you must. Yeah, I'm
Steven Ciceron, Guest: busy and, and I sometimes have to say, you have to stop the auditions now because I want to have a personal life too. And, um, it's, it's tough. But yeah, I, I go on a lot of auditions and I probably get like 50% of them, which is really good. That's really incredibly high.
I average really lucky that put
Patrick Evans, Host: you in the Hall of Fame at the audition Hall of Fame. Yeah. No, that's, that's amazing. But sometimes I have
Steven Ciceron, Guest: to say, I really need to go on hold for a little while because then some of the movies, you, I mean, if they all come through. Then you gotta juggle that and the directors get mad at you because you're not available and you promised it to them.
And if you signed a contract, I've been sued before. Really? Yeah. Oh. 'cause you couldn't do the mm-hmm. You're like, I'm sorry. My schedule doesn't work out. I Exactly. Especially that's why I'm not really doing as much theater right now. 'cause you, you know, go through theater and that's a big commitment. And a nice film or TV show comes.
Tell me about the
Patrick Evans, Host: TV that you've done.
on, Guest: So, um, I'm not a [:Randy Florence: digs. You said small digs. I just wanted to make sure that, yeah. Make sure I pronounce this. Yes. I wasn't sure what kind of roles he was trying out for. I do lots of accents
Steven Ciceron, Guest: and make sure the wrong accent didn't come out there.
Um, so do no harm. He was a psychotic doctor. Um, I've been on Blue Bloods, I've been on oranges. The new black. I've been, oh, I'm looking at, uh, the Americans. So you worked with Tom Selek on Blue Bloods? Yeah, but I wasn't in the scene with him. Oh, okay. Yeah. I know sometimes I'm not in a scene with the somebody special we're on set with him because I was on a Star born, but I didn't get to work with uh la.
I met Lady Gaga and I met, uh, yeah, Bradley Cooper, but did not get to be in the scene with them. So that happens a lot too. 'cause I'm not in the big blockbuster, so I'm not a celebrity, so I get like a small little thing. Yeah. But I get the big leads in the independent films.
Randy Florence: But you've worked with some Sylvester Stallone.
Yeah. William Shatner, William. Yeah. He's
that I'm, I dunno if I can, [:Patrick Evans, Host: a huge Star Trek
Steven Ciceron, Guest: fan, so yeah, you gotta tell me. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if, if, if I could get sued for it. I mean he Oh, he was, was was he kind of an ass? He was nice to me.
He was, he was nice to me.
Randy Florence: Let's
Steven Ciceron, Guest: put it that way. What was the project, um, senior moment,
Randy Florence: the one he did out here with? Uh, yeah. Who was he at Lead? Um,
Patrick Evans, Host: the
Randy Florence: woman
Patrick Evans, Host: One Flash was Jean Smart. Smart Gene Smart. And it was Christopher Lloyd. I was in that movie as well. Yes, yes. So we have on IMD page, IMDB page credit together.
There you go. See that we got a lot in common.
Randy Florence: Yeah. William has a reputation for being pretty easy on the side
Steven Ciceron, Guest: side. I don think he's nice to, I don't think he's nice to work with. He's tough. He's hard on the director tour. We're not gonna get
Randy Florence: him on the podcast. Probably not. Could we get his hair?
Patrick Evans, Host: He might go on the podcast?
and [:Mr. McMullen, you guys are something else.
Randy Florence: You were in Creed,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Uhhuh, what was your role there? So, um. I played like a security guard, um, bringing people in. I, I think I had like two lines or something like that. But, uh, to get to meet s Vista Stallone, and he's one of the nicest actors. He treats everybody equally.
He, um, takes time out to talk to extras supporting roles, no matter how big their supporting role is. And it wouldn't be anything without you guys every morning. He starts out that way and, and is so encouraging and a really nice person to work with.
Randy Florence: I I I, is there a different feeling on set when you've got.
Uh, a set with Sylvester Stallone and Michael B. Jordan, as opposed to maybe one that doesn't have one of the huge big names.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Is there a feeling on the set? The only thing is if you are in a bigger, bigger movie, the food is better.
Randy Florence: Craft service reps, there's a lot better
t: treatment that way. Yeah. [:There's more cameras involved. Um, you may not have to do your lines three times over 'cause you have to do it for each different angle of the camera and they've got different angles on you automatically. Um,
Randy Florence: and was Shatner the only one who said, don't look me in the eyes. Not to me. He doesn't say that.
He doesn't. No. You sound a little defensive. I'm a little
theaters in the entire world.[:Thank you McCallum Theater. We are back with Steve Cran, who is one of the hardest working actors in this valley and all over the place. You said you were just in la mm-hmm. You, you, and you have a, an agent in London, so you must do some overseas work.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Right. So I got back not too long about, but shooting in Berlin.
And also in Stockholm. Wow. Yeah. So that was pretty exciting. And what were those
Patrick Evans, Host: projects?
who had witnessed, witnessed [:And um. Which was left. Um, and the other one I think I, I, I, I think I played, um, it was a horror movie, which I'm, which I'm loving. And I was at a party and they were killing people when I was less than less people around there. Somebody was coming after me. And they wanted an American,
Randy Florence: not a very good party.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: It
Randy Florence: was a
Steven Ciceron, Guest: scary party. I, yeah, it's not the best party. Party. And so, I mean, and I like, because I can do the American accent, obviously, and I could change it from Texan to Bronx, New York. I'm gonna put you on the spot because you say you do a lot of accents, but Some, but some I can't do on, like, for instance, the English accent.
, you for some reason, but I [:Patrick Evans, Host: Alright. Uh, can you do, you said you mentioned Texas and you did, uh, hop alongs, Stu Gods, uh mm-hmm. And that's sort of a country.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want Southern, I don't, um, I, I can't even think of what I would say, but um. I, I like that Ona. It really looks good on ya. And if you could show me a little bit more. Ooh, I'd be really, really excited about that. Should've been
Randy Florence: here for our last guest. It was nice. She would've shown him a little bit more.
She would've.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh wow. Absolutely. Sorry you missed out on that. Did you have her phone number?
Patrick Evans, Host: Yes. Yes, we do matter. Her name is Maryanne Helping. Helping. And she's uh, she's terrific. She's so nice. You know,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Marianne, I do know her. I try to, I try to pride myself on knowing most of the people in the valley. I know so many singers, there's a lot of singers out here in the valley.
nnel, say something nasty or [:But they might leave a comment
Randy Florence: on this episode, which might be our first comment on out of 115 episodes. I comment on all of ours. Oh, you do? No, I mean, in the YouTube. I haven't found the YouTube yet. Well, maybe they'll send me a sex
Steven Ciceron, Guest: picture and I, I get in trouble like, I'm trafficking, trafficking something or whatever.
Who knows?
Patrick Evans, Host: Okay. You do have to worry about stuff like that these days. Yeah, you do. I've
Steven Ciceron, Guest: had to put people with a cease and desist and, and yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. Where, where you live got stalks and everything. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Did I look familiar? The, it was actually, the women are worse. Oh, okay.
The guys that are just are nicer. The women are really tough, you know, women scoring. Do you know what to say?
Randy Florence: Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned earlier that you, you're still take, you're taking classes. Mm-hmm. Is this something you've kept up regularly through your career? Yeah, pretty
Steven Ciceron, Guest: much. Unless I'm like going through a really busy, busy spell.
So when, like during the, um. Pandemic. I really got to catch up on a lot.
is something I'd like to get [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: I think it's, I think it's fine tuning and keeping up with being organic and, and, and being in touch with yourself and reme remembering some of the exercises.
'cause sometimes you just do it and you just go through the motions and you don't want that to happen. What are some of the exercises that you find most useful? I think how you can try to bring in something from your own experience. Um, like if you have a, a crying scene and how to try to bring in what one you're gonna bring in.
It depends. Some of them you can't get out of once you're in it. Do you have any problem crying on, on screen? No, as long as I know, um, have some ample time to think about it. Like if you ask me to cry now, I probably couldn't do it. So I have to think about a certain, and it's different. Some, some days I might need a different situation than another one.
Randy Florence: Well, you wouldn't cry now, but once you hear the episode, well, after listening to you, I think I'm gonna cry. No, I'm only kidding. You should be in tears. What did I do to my career? I can show you, I can show you
Patrick Evans, Host: that picture of Randy's nostrils again. That might,
Randy Florence: that made me cry. It made Randy cry.
ns, Host: Yes. Are you guys, [:Randy Florence: are you taking any classes locally now?
You currently No. No. No. Yeah, we saw Terry Ray today, as a matter of fact, lunch. I think he
Steven Ciceron, Guest: also offers class. He does Randy's up for, this is your second class with, that's
Randy Florence: actually how this all started and it's also,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: luckily this is Dan Guttier too.
Randy Florence: Oh yeah,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: yeah. Luckily there's some, you don't have to go to la.
Good. When you take a class, do you, do you go to Dan or do you go to la? I did go to Dan for a little while, but I'm in LA so often. Yeah. It's easier for
Patrick Evans, Host: me to actually do it in la. Right. You mentioned that you're, you're really loving the, the horror genre. Yeah. And you kind of touched on it, I mean, because you, I mean, you are such an affable person.
I know. I like, I love people and, and I mean like. Because of your background and the work that you did, you're, you're clearly focused on helping people. Mm-hmm. Which is the antithesis of usually the villain in the horror movie. Right. They're not out to fiction. Right, right, right. For sure. So what a, is it just the fact that, that it's so deliciously different?
I think so. [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, absolutely. I think it is challenging for me because it's not me, and if I can make people say, oh my God, you're really horrible. That was horrible. I hate you. Wow, that's good. Really that's an achievement to make people see me differently. 'cause I wanna bring the character to life and if I can't bring a killer of somebody sinister to life, then I'm not worthy of that role.
You know?
Patrick Evans, Host: And, and you know, it, I think that is the mark of a truly great actor is when you watch. That role where they're playing someone who's totally despicable and then that's weird. It leaves you with that feeling for them. Yeah. I remember the first time I interviewed Gary Oldman. Oh, uh, I could not stop thinking about his character in Air Force One, and he was so despicable and such a horrible person.
I'm like, dude, hate you. I have really hated you for a long time. It happens. And he was laughing about it and he said, well, you know, it was a, i, I just kind of sunk my teeth into that role and oh, he was so good in that and he was, there was a lot of
Steven Ciceron, Guest: method acting probably.
s, he, you know, he too is a [:So you, you play. Radically different parts. Yep. And,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: and, and it's, it's really fascinating. I played from a psychotic killer to, um, being in, uh, something called the Philadelphia Experiment. I had to go to Philadelphia for that, uh, historic figure. Uh, you go back and forth, uh, comedy roles, um, different kinds of killers.
Um. Yeah.
Randy Florence: Is there anything you haven't done yet that you want to
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Pornography? No.
Randy Florence: On episode two. Oh, I know a guy well, I did have to
Steven Ciceron, Guest: do, they do have, um, I've done nudity on screen, but they always have an intimacy co uh, coordinator. Okay. Um, for that
Randy Florence: to make sure it's done tastefully or that you feel safe doing it tastefully
Steven Ciceron, Guest: don't feel comfortable, and it's done safely and they're not being overly gratuitous.
Um, you know, sometimes you might have a director that, that might, they were
Randy Florence: just as gratuitous as you wanted them to be.
s that called? A amoura. The [:Oh, it was just totally gratuitous. Yeah, totally gratuitous. Yeah.
Randy Florence: So what was that like? First time? Yeah. Were you nervous? You're walking on Sure. That
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I, I can that and learning the tango
Randy Florence: and then I had to do the tango. Naked. Naked it was
Steven Ciceron, Guest: right. And of course, um, backside is a lot easier than front side, you know?
Randy Florence: Have had you, have you
Steven Ciceron, Guest: done full frontal nudity? Yeah, but it was very brief, very brief. Um, backside. They all seem to want the backside, so the backside, I
Randy Florence: guess. Congratulations. I, I don't, I guess that could be in,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: in order. You know,
Randy Florence: I been, I've been typecast. I'm so that
Steven Ciceron, Guest: much because I wanna make sure it's not gratuitous.
But they do usually ask you when you're going on an audition, if it's in there. They say, are you okay with nudity? So I would say yes, but I don't wanna say then with qualifications, if you get
Randy Florence: Oh, you mean my nudity? Oh, right. I'm no, no nudity other people. The director wants to get nudity. That's, that's, that'll make me feel a lot
Steven Ciceron, Guest: easier.
Yeah. Can you get [:Randy Florence: were you a. Uh, movie Buff growing up.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: More old movies 'cause my mom used to watch old movies. Yeah. So I've seen some of the really old ones. Um, singing in the Rain. And that one that's, uh, pretty famous. Um, mommy Dearest. Oh yeah. And one more, and I can't remember the name of it.
Maybe one, two of you were, um, it was Betty Davis and, um. Who works with Betty Davis a lot? Um, they hated each other.
Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, well it was the subject to mommy dearest. Yeah. Faye Dunaway. No,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: no, no, no, no. She played it.
Randy Florence: Oh. Not Faye Dunaway, uh, cat. Who was it? I'm,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I
Randy Florence: see the face.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Betty Davis. And they had a, a, an arch rivalry.
I can't believe that. We can't think of the three of us.
Patrick Evans, Host: No. Uh, and she was famous for whipping her kid with a hanger. Right, right. Don't
Randy Florence: put your clothes on hangers.
Patrick Evans, Host: Um,
Randy Florence: I'm gonna feel so stupid when he tells me the name. Oh yeah.
Patrick Evans, Host: If only there were a device where
Randy Florence: we could, yeah, we had a computer in our pocket
're here too and you haven't [:Yeah. There's four men here. Producer Joan Crawford. Thank Joan Crawford. Geez. No I wasn't Joan Crawford. Um, she says, I wish I wasn't. I, I wish I wasn't in a wheelchair. And then the other one goes, but ya Blanche ya.
Randy Florence: That's such a great scene. I see a great line. So, so I've watched a lot of away now.
Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah, you couldn't come up with Joan Crawford.
Randy Florence: I know. Seriously. Go back back 10 minutes and then you'll hear him enter that. Edit him. Yeah, he's gonna edit it. It's Joan Crawford,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: so it sounds like, oh my God, that's too funny. You should do that. It'll be, I should, let me just record it now. Oh, Joan
Randy Florence: Crawford.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: No, that wasn't it. Oh gosh. Oh, that's funny. So a lot of movies like that, a lot of older movies.
Randy Florence: Do you, um, do. What's the biggest lead part that you have played in a film so far?
playing a detective who, um, [:Who've hurt women before and, but they're all sort of in love with me and they're trying to, you know, and one of them turns into a hag and they just come after me. But yeah, I mean, I play in independent films. I pretty much get the lead usually.
Randy Florence: Anything that you hit on, but I'm okay
Steven Ciceron, Guest: with small lines too.
I'm okay. I'm not a diva.
Randy Florence: There's no small lines. It's just small actors. Yeah,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: yeah, yeah. I'm okay. Did somebody say that? Somebody did say that, but they were talking about the Wizard of Oz. Thought I just needed, because in some of the stuff I've done here, some of the stuff I've done here locally, which I like, 'cause I don't have to be in la.
I may not have the lead, I might have a supporting role, but it's just fun being with them. 'cause I love to laugh and we laugh all the time on the set. They let me get away with it. Whereas in LA they might get annoyed a little bit more, but they, let me laugh more here on the side.
Randy Florence: You, you've won a number of best actor awards here in the Valley, haven't you?
tivals and I have them in my [:Patrick Evans, Host: they shooting that?
Is that
Steven Ciceron, Guest: being both LA and here. And here. Okay, cool. Which I like too. And in LA because if it's a day shoot, I can go down and I'll come back in a day. But if it's longer than that, then they have to write into the contract that they're gonna put me up in a hotel. But usually because I'm not a celebrity, it's gonna be like a motel six, but I'm okay as long as they have a bed
Randy Florence: that's still 300 bucks a night.
So it probably is, I don't,
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I
Patrick Evans, Host: don't know. Um. But what else? They put two other guys with 'em. It's, it's, it's uncomfortable. It's a hundred bucks. It's a hundred bucks on
Steven Ciceron, Guest: one in the
Patrick Evans, Host: bed and
Steven Ciceron, Guest: the other one rolled over
Patrick Evans, Host: and the other roll over. It's like that scene from planes trains on the one goes, that's our pillows.
I love
oing on. I'm also doing, um. [:Patrick Evans, Host: Oh, and who's your Cher?
Who I, that would be Darcy Daniels? Yes, of course. Darcy. Yeah. Yeah. So then tell me not to, so Fox and Fury is, is a, so Sonny Zi is produced a number. Mm-hmm. He's a guy from, he, I think he's from Philly. He's from Philadelphia's, Phil. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, he, he produces a lot of independent stuff out here, uh, and, and in fact.
It raises the, we we should invite Sonny would be a, a very fun Oh yeah. Podcast guest. Oh yeah. But so would, uh, Tony
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Poon. Oh my God. The, all of them. They're really good and fun guys to be with. Um, especially the way they have that like Italian delivery, you know? So how you doing? They're a lot of fun and they let, like I say, they let me laugh on the set.
Don't you guys improvise A good bit of the lines? Yeah. There's a lot of them. Improv. Yeah. A lot. Now, do you prefer this? It's a comedy. You could do that. Yeah. And
Patrick Evans, Host: you get to play off of, and they're all, they're
Steven Ciceron, Guest: all [:It's gotta kind of be being, being, being. Well, yeah. I mean that's the hard thing about comedy is you have to be prompt and you have to know your cue and you have to, if you miss that, it's not gonna be funny. So it's pretty key.
Randy Florence: You said something, uh, earlier as, as I watch being new in all of this and I watch newer people in the industry, there's always milestones that are really exciting to them finding an agent.
Um, the first time that you got an. Was it somebody you found? Was it somebody who found you? It, when
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I first started, I couldn't find anybody and then they found me. And then that particular agent I got rid of and looked at again, somebody else came to me. I've been very lucky getting agents. I,
Randy Florence: but, but was it, did it.
Most of the time you seemed pretty cool the first time an agent called you and said, oh, well yeah,
How do I become sag? Um, and [:That's three basically. You know,
Randy Florence: I've got none. He's got three. We'll
Steven Ciceron, Guest: work on that. We'll talk about,
Randy Florence: he might share
Steven Ciceron, Guest: one
Randy Florence: of those with you. That's not the one he fired. The guy in London,
Patrick Evans, Host: the guy in London, they're always looking for, there are a lot of nostril forward characters in London,
Randy Florence: I think. Well, it does seem that there are periods of time that that.
They look at as, okay, I'm starting to make it. These little things start to happen. The SAG car, the agent. Yeah. Those kind of things. Is there anything so far in the industry theater, movie, TV that you haven't done that you really want to do before you
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Oh no. I'm also an equity, so I have the theater. Oh, okay.
Theater too. Anything I haven't done, um. I, I, I can't think of it, but I'm, there's always a role that I look at and say, oh, well that would be really cool. I haven't thought of that before. And I would like to do that in theater.
kind of stuff to do? I like [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah. Yeah. I've done off Broadway.
I've done, um, an enemy of the people and I'm Aus and stuff like that. But musicals are fun because again, I like to laugh and so I can get away with laughing more with things like that. Otherwise, they, alright, let's. Let's wait for Cron. He's got another laughing fit, so I don't annoy people as much. Uh, if I stick with the movie you sing.
I do. Yeah. But not like Darcy Daniels or some of the other ones. I, I can keep a tune and do what I need to do and get through the scene and get through the song, but I don't consider that as a strong point for me.
Randy Florence: But you sing, you dance. Yeah. Yeah. You do comedy, you do horror. Just choreography
Steven Ciceron, Guest: takes a little bit longer now, but yeah.
Have
Randy Florence: you written stuff for yourself?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Well, I'm, I am writing and helping some people write Now, um, I, I write well, but it's very time consuming and I just don't have a lot of time. So it's, it's tough. But I could write a script for myself. You
Patrick Evans, Host: must not have a lot of time. I mean, I don't, you are always, I really don't.
I'm gonna like, my God, this [:Steven Ciceron, Guest: Uh, sometimes it's an hour and a half, um, you know, sleep. But I pay for it like two days later.
Randy Florence: But that's the life, right?
Yeah. Love. If you're gonna be a successful working, I, I'm really
Steven Ciceron, Guest: happy. Yeah. I'm really happy No time for a real social life, but that's probably why I'm not, you know, married or anything. Again,
Randy Florence: that's why we brought you in here. You get you into a bar for a few minutes. That's right. You could find
Patrick Evans, Host: a potential partner.
Well, they're not open, so that's good. But in a few minutes, you know?
Randy Florence: Yeah, yeah.
Patrick Evans, Host: Sounds good to me. Sounds like I found
Randy Florence: an agent.
Patrick Evans, Host: You think Steve's gonna be your agent?
Randy Florence: Well, if his career hasn't hit the bottom completely.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Are you
Randy Florence: wishing that on me? No, no, no, no, no. I think his career, I'm not wishing you to be my agent either.
I think his career is from, I don't want
Steven Ciceron, Guest: to be an agent and casting is just something I also do, but yeah, I, I, I'm really filled up to the, to the brim.
Randy Florence: So what's that? Process I wasn't really asking you to manage. It's okay.
lot of people have a lot of, [:And I got in SAG and, and equity and I, I consider myself lucky. Just lucky.
Randy Florence: Well, I assume I'd have to be in more than one. Yeah. You look up the criteria and then the
Steven Ciceron, Guest: initial fee to pay for that for both of the quite expensive that didn't see paid for. So I'm already
Randy Florence: out of the industry.
Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah.
Randy Florence: Well that's the thing.
There's, there's a fee associated with it.
Patrick Evans, Host: Yeah. I got SAG eligible and the, the producer of the film. They kinda put me over the top on that. He's like, we could, you know, get you your membership right now, but, you know, I don't know what it's five grand or, yeah, it's about five or six, five or six grand. He is like.
You know, you, you're gonna make about a thousand bucks off this movie. Like, you're like, do you really want to go in the hole for a SAG car or do you just wanna hold onto your eligibility and then if you do more stuff, so it is expensive. Yeah. And a lot of people, and equity's expensive.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, they both are.
but yeah, but I'm get, I, I [:I don't have to work a side job bartending or something like that. I'm not asking for your address, but where's home for you in the valley? So it would be, I guess North Palm Springs they call it? Yeah. What's the address? It's on every bathroom wall. If you go in here right under
Patrick Evans, Host: Barry, Barry White that, that's my phone number in there too.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Remind me to put it in this particular, that's how his agent
Patrick Evans, Host: gets him all the work. He just puts his phone number on bathroom moley
Randy Florence: everywhere. The rolls are interesting. Call
Patrick Evans, Host: Steve. And, uh, so, um, you've got the, you're, you're, you're still working on this current project. What are you looking at next?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: So, there's gonna be something coming up, which is gonna be a comedy series, um, sort of like Shit's creek.
me in and all that. So that, [:Patrick Evans, Host: Do you ever.
Contemplate going back to psychology. Do you ever, do you ever miss it? Well, I love
Steven Ciceron, Guest: having the background. Can you still write prescriptions? No, I wasn't a psychiatrist, so I never could. Anyway. Well, this is over, but Yeah. Um, but I mean, the education I got was just unbelievable. I'm really pleased with my education, but no, I don't think I missed.
Trying to help people that couldn't help themselves. 'cause that made me sad. And I'm never really clinically depressed. You know, I'm, if somebody dies, I'm gonna get depressed. But I've never had a depressive day in my life where I get wake up in the morning and I'm depressed and I don't know why. Um, do you have
Randy Florence: interest in things like directing, producing?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, I'm doing a little bit more about with that now, but I really like, I don't know, maybe it's vanity. I like being in front of the camera more. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I do do some of that. I've done more of that. Yeah. And maybe in the future.
aughter who's a theater kid, [:That's cool. But she said, um, I go, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to do theater, tv, movies? She goes, not theater. And I go, why? And she goes, not enough people will see me. Whoa. I thought, well, there's the TikTok generation. Wow. I want millions and millions of people singing. How bad that, that's really interesting.
Yeah. And I'm like, I was pretty happy that 50 people saw what I did. So from the mounts of a babe. Yeah, that was really interesting. Very much so. Yeah. But they've been out here and Patrick's taken them to the studio and Oh, wow. Gotten that. Where's she from? Uh, they live up in sa, twin daughter granddaughters, uh, up in Sacramento.
They're both involved in theater. Moved down here. No, it's 190 degrees every day here. Oh,
to Berlin or Alaska to film.[:Randy Florence: I haven't gotten a lot of offers, so I'm stuck here. Hey, juststarting out. You
Patrick Evans, Host: know we're gonna get you that agent
Randy Florence: and then you're gonna be, yeah. Alright. There you go. I appreciate that. It took us 115 episodes to get here. I will. But put your number
Patrick Evans, Host: on the bathroom wall as well, right? Right next to Steve.
Right next to, right next to Steve. You like spillover, effect. Effect. Not too close to Steve
Randy Florence: because I won't get any calls. No, you get spillover, spill. I don't wanna hear about spillover in the restroom. Can we? Steve's not available. We're at to go for
Patrick Evans, Host: Randy.
Randy Florence: I
Patrick Evans, Host: have to do the Randy part, so
Randy Florence: I can't tell you how many people told me you were gonna be a blast to have on this episode.
Really? I'm pleased to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. And
Patrick Evans, Host: you were, you are. Thank you so much and I appreciate that. 'cause I know your schedule is super busy, so thanks. We were, it
Steven Ciceron, Guest: really worked out. You picked out a really good taste, but coming, I'm trying to keep it low key too. Right before the 4th of July.
Randy Florence: Where, where are you headed next?
San Diego.
I've got family there. It's [:So they have
Patrick Evans, Host: weather
Steven Ciceron, Guest: people down there. I will tell,
Patrick Evans, Host: I'll tell you a very true story. Uh, uh, many years ago, I got a call from a news director in San Diego and he was like, oh, we, uh, I've seen your stuff. And we have a, we have a, they had a weekend opening. And, and he said, uh, and I really like your look. I'd love, love to have you talk to me about it.
And then, uh, here's the, this is the salary range we're looking at. And it was 10 grand less than I was making here. Wow. That's a surprise. And I'm like, but it was only weekends. Yeah, it was, it was weekends, but still like, you know, like it's market market 25.
Randy Florence: Yeah. But you didn't need weekends. You could have taken both jobs.
Just go back into board. Talk about
ifferent ways of saying it's [:It's sort of like Walmart shark mean welcome to. Welcome to Walmart. Welcome
Randy Florence: to Walmart. I keep telling him he should have a, an episode where he does everything in Celsius and doesn't tell, doesn't tell anybody. Everybody's like, holy cow. It's 47 degrees today. Oh yeah. Every time I
Steven Ciceron, Guest: wake up and when I was filming in Stockholm and in Berlin, you know, and they'd say, whatever it is, and I have to get on my phone.
Is it hot or cold out there? I just said, no idea. I dunno what that is. I feel
Randy Florence: bad. 'cause sometimes I watch him and I just, I get angry at him. He says it's gonna be 117. Fuck, Patrick.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I'm gonna call you up at home from now on and find out what the temperature's gonna be outside. I'm sorry,
Randy Florence: I, I have nobody else to blame.
Patrick Evans, Host: You know? I have never said, fuck Randy. On this podcast. Wow. You just did I say it all the time elsewhere, but I've never said it on a podcast.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Does that get edited out or anything? Because I could. No, probably not, because I could've used the word several times tonight. You could
Patrick Evans, Host: have, yeah. No, we
Randy Florence: have. I did.
three different reads. Three [:Patrick Evans, Host: reads. Like in different accents. Give. Give. Yes. Give us an angry Do you, do you have a German? This would be Fook.
Randy Florence: Fool.
Patrick Evans, Host: That's it.
That's it. That's it.
Randy Florence: We're gonna have to be left with that version.
Patrick Evans, Host: There we go. Well, listen, uh, you should follow Steve on his social media. Thank you. So, and keep up with what he's doing and
Randy Florence: good luck keeping up with him 'cause he's moving. Thank you.
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Yeah, if they could go on YouTube, just put my name in and subscribe.
That's good. Because if it comes between two actors looking for a role. And one has more fan base than the other one, they're gonna go for the one with that. That'll be their choice. So if they could do that, that'd be great.
Patrick Evans, Host: Wow. Okay. So please subscribe to his YouTube channels. I just got another little
Randy Florence: hint
Patrick Evans, Host: there too.
Yes, you did. Yeah. I think your three or four subscribers are gonna put you over the top. My
Randy Florence: granddaughters are two of them, so that
Patrick Evans, Host: and your phone number on bar. Hey, got you. Cast it so you know it's a little uphill. There you go. Right baby.
Randy Florence: Yeah. See, and we did it here in the corner booth. That's a little
Patrick Evans, Host: bar.
ou all for listening to this [:Randy Florence: tell you, I was so happy to hear some of what I thought about some of these people.
Sylvester Stallone, just a hell of a nice guy, William Shatner. Tom Selleck a hell of a nice guy. William
Steven Ciceron, Guest: Shatter
Randy Florence: was nice to Steve. Yeah, he
Steven Ciceron, Guest: was nice to me. They've all been nice to me. Um, I try to overlook that with, you know, some of these nasty fight of a way to bring them around. But yeah, I was afraid I didn't know what you were gonna find on me.
And you seem to be stuck on that intimacy coordinator and wanting to know more about the nudity. I'll be calling you, you later. Did they make you
Patrick Evans, Host: wear a thing? Did you have to wear it there? Was it on one of them?
Steven Ciceron, Guest: I did have like a sock or something. Yeah. But sometimes not. Did they give you one or, well, yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Bring your own. So, you know, bring your own sock. That's a low budget production. That's a really tiny, we're doing nudes today. Bring your own sock. Like, I don't,
Patrick Evans, Host: I don't know that I'm sock. They want
ont nudity. There's no sock, [:Randy Florence: be with me
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He's gonna edit this so it actually sounds. Like Randy and I are intelligent, so we really do appreciate that. So
Randy Florence: the episode might not be on for a few months. It's
Patrick Evans, Host: gonna be short. It's gonna be very short, but it's gonna be good. Oh my gosh. It's gonna be a lot of Steve. So, and remember, you can subscribe and be sure to do that.
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